"Alonso: We always listen to fans’ concerns so we can do better by them. We want everyone — the widest breadth of fans — to feel welcome to read "Spider-Woman." We apologize — I apologize — for the mixed messaging that this variant caused.
And that’s what this cover is. It’s a limited edition variant that is aimed at collectors. While we would not have published this as the main cover to the book, we were comfortable publishing this as a variant that represented one artist’s vision of the character — a world-renowned artist whose oeuvre is well-known to us, and to collectors. …
Alonso: Yes, we’ll do more Manara variants. He is a world-renowned artist with a huge fan base, and his variants, like the Skottie Young variants, are aimed at people who appreciate his art and his style. But we are aware of the growing sensitivity to covers like this, and we will be extra-vigilant in policing their content and how we use them in our marketing.”
AKA: we are sorry that people interpreted this cover as blatant attempt at a sexist appeal to the dudebro collectors. We thought they would be the only ones to ever see it, and that no one would ever notice that that is exactly what it was. We WILL still use more of such covers, but maybe we’ll try not to on those books we’ve designated as “for females”, and we’ll think about not sending them to places we expect women to see them. Because women shouldn’t expect to be welcomed as part of a core audience for most books. Just these new ones we are specifically promoting as “for the ladies”
I actually think he handled this the best he could have. Marvel is a business trying to make money, and they’re straddling the line between several disparate groups.
A fairly exclusive Manara variant will get them money- money that can then be used to support them in taking risks, on things like (say) women-led titles. I think about how some of the ridiculous bestselling books are the ones that supposedly ~classy~ people make fun of, but they’re the ones whose profits allow for the books that those same people want to see to be published.
I don’t object to the existence of Manara variants overall. I can almost see the logic in putting Manara variants on titles aimed at women, if they’re trying to use them as a Trojan horse to get dudebros to read an interesting feminist comic they’d otherwise stay far away from. My problem lies largely in how they’ve been handling this, acting like the cover isn’t something anyone could reasonably be offended by and like women are a niche audience who shouldn’t expect to be catered to in the few titles we’re explicitly told are designed with us in mind.
Mostly this quote is really making me hope that there are a bunch of REALLY ANGRY DUDEBROS going around complaining that in the Skottie Young covers, their favorite badass characters look like LITTLE KIDS, what the hell, THAT DIAPER IS NOT MASCULINE ENOUGH.
I didn’t have an issue with the previous Manara variant I saw, for Black Widow #1. A little more cleavage than I think is usual, but I didn’t have an issue. This one is just so egregious, and seemed to be a centerpiece of their marketing unlike the others. Anyway. As in the Remender stuff, the reactions from fans and creators is what really leaves me disappointed.
When they start making variants where guys are in anatomically impossible poses and wearing skin-tight, next-to-nothing clothing, maybe I’ll be less annoyed by their constant, “Oops, we didn’t intend sensitive people to see this; m’bad. But still, boobies sell so boobies will show up.” I find his excuse just the same as all the others before. ”We’re sorry you were offended but we’re not sorry for objectification. Because boobies.” Although, in Jessica Drew’s case, this was butt over boobs.
Just a bigger reminder that the comics industry is still more interested in male customers than female customers.
Men who can’t cook, clean, or even do their own laundry are not “cute” and “in need of a woman to care for them”. They are spoiled brats so dependent on gender roles that they never bothered to learn the minimal skills to take care of themselves.
that in the Chinese version of Disney’s Mulan, the fake name she gives is “Ping”, but her family name “Fa” in English is “Hua” in Chinese, therefore her full name is “Hua Ping”, which is literally “Flower Vase”, and that’s why Shang is so bewildered because it’s a silly name.
but OP how could you not tell them the best part
“hua ping”/flower vase is chinese slang for “camp gay”
you walk over to the chamber of secrets and whisper “i have a crush on my cousin”. the basilisk comes over to you and says “you totally misinterpreted the use of this chamber and also you’re pretty fuckin gross”
granted, they already tend to treat women’s olympic sports as sexual displays. most men i know who watch the olympics…
Yeah, but pole dancing is an activity that has acquired an almost exclusively sexual association among both men and women. Acknowledging it as anything more and taking it out of that pigeonhole of male pleasure would probably make men so uncomfortable that it will never happen. They’re fine with thinking of dancers as strippers, but the second you acknowledge them as athletes, that suggests that they might actually be people, not sexual objects.
(I’m not saying that strippers aren’t people, I’m saying that men are more comfortable when they don’t have to consider that.)
Then you have some women who have internalized (or externalized) misogyny and like to use pole dancing as an example of something “dirty” that “only whores do,” as a means to set themselves apart on a moral and physical level.